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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 7, 2005 10:21pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: Donna & Keith

Well put, Dr. F....

There are Keith gems to be gleaned from many of those early 70's shows and while I prefer '77 as THE great touring year of the Dead, I do love the jazzy sound they explored so well in '73 and '74...I'm no musician, but I do love jazz, and whenever someone complains about the Dead or Jerry "noodling"--and yeah, OK, sometimes he's guilty, but not usually--I always say 'well, are you a jazz fan? Do you like Coltrane, Miles, Monk, Rollins?--and if they say "yeah, of course", I say 'Go back and listen to this "Eyes" or that "Dark Star", b/c what Jerry's doing w/his guitar is really his version of the explorations guys like Coltrane were doing w/their horns...I've turned more than a few people around w/that argument/plea...Of course, if they say "no, I don't really 'get' jazz", I say, 'OK, well, have fun with your 3-chord, verse, verse, chorus, 4 and a half minute world of music. Good luck with that."

Like Bobby said, You aint gonna learn what you don't want to know!

GC

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Poster: factman Date: Mar 12, 2006 10:07pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: Donna & Keith

I think what's missing as a dynamic in this discussion is that musically, Keith was essentially two different people, ostensibly due to bad habits setting in during the post-hiatus years.

Most of the remarks about Keith's jazzy playing are directed specifically at 72-74, and I happen to agree with all of the comparisons. Alot of what they were playing in those years can easily be considered a branch off of the tree of thinking that produced Bitches Brew and Jack Johnson. Obviously the, ahem, "organic" nature was more to the forefront.

Personally, I don't care much for late '77 up through to the end of the Keith era. It's painful to hear what addiction did to that man's imagination. To a lesser degree, but absolutely just as noticeable, it's musically obvious where Jerry met heroin.

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Poster: sonomajon Date: Mar 12, 2006 11:07pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: Donna & Keith

Keith still had some chops left in selective 78 shows...check out his playing in the first set of 4-24-1978...IMHO one of the best first sets of the year...followed by 1-22-1978

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Poster: MTWAGS Date: Mar 13, 2006 12:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: Donna & Keith

MMM.. the black licorce version of the dead, ya either love it or ya hate it.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Sep 7, 2005 10:42pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: Donna & Keith

Everyone has made good points, I suppose. But I still like the Dead best in the 80s and 90s. There's a Constitutional Law concept known as "mootness," which is a judicially imposed restraint on the federal courts' power to hear certain disputes when there is no longer a controversy capable of resolution. It seems to me that this point might be moot. (And, honestly, Keith Godchaux compared to Herbie Hancock and Chick Corea??)

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Sep 8, 2005 4:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: Donna & Keith

Anyone who thinks Donna was all bad should check out some of the JGB shows from 76-77 (unfortunately not available here, try bt etree). In more intimate venues and with a 'smaller band' sound she sings like an angel.

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Poster: jhender501 Date: Sep 8, 2005 6:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: Donna & Keith

Agree with that 100%..was discussing that with a coworker just yesterday

Jim

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Poster: liranfa Date: Sep 8, 2005 1:37pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: Donna & Keith

In defense of Donna, the stage gear that the Grateful Dead used was extremely loud!!!! Trying to find your note over that was extremely difficult. All the other singers had instruments to reference their notes but Donna had to find hers while being blasted by the rest of the band. That's likely why she sounded so much better with JGB since they had about 1/3 the gear that the Grateful Dead had.

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